Come on. Seriously? Why are we all still worried about Zelda: OOT? There is little evidence to support the fanboy claims of it being the best Zelda, so why do we keep bitching about it?
Why is Mario 64 still the best 3D Mario?
Banjo Kazooie?
Final Fantasy VII?
Crash?
This might be a leap, but since we are all stuck on the subject of fanboy's, their reasoning on choosing this game, and the likes, I might as well add some thought.
I believe, to an extent, that Video Games have come as far as they can go in all honesty. There is really no jump left other than virtual reality. Sure we can revamp old games, sure we can make the graphics shinier and prettier. Controls tighter. Stories more relevant to how society is today. And this is all nice, but this is no change whatsoever to the actual game and how it is perceived. One may argue that the Wii changes this, but I think Brad made a good point by saying in our last dinner time podcast how, and this is not a direct quote, the wiimote is not more of a game changing item, but a way to change how you play the same game. That makes sense. So what is there left? Nothing really.
We hold on to the games that made the most change in the industry. All fan boys are attached to something that made a difference in the gaming world. And I think the most prevalent changes are the most obvious ones. Those from 2D to 3D. While it is easy to say Nastalgia is the cause of most fan boyism, I believe it is more based on how the game that has such a group of fans has made sure its design, whether that be gameplay, graphics, or the way they tell stories, is significantly different than any predecessor.
Half-Life changed story telling
Final Fantasy, Mario, Zelda changed graphics
Castlevania: SOTN and games such as Banjo Kazooie changed gameplay.
Since these games changed the world of gaming in one way or another, they are somethings which deserved to be kept around.
Zelda: OOT is the best Zelda game. Sorry Brad. It is.
OOT Made an impact on the video game community, and how games are made.
It could easily be argued that Twilight is the better game, and why not? Because it is everything OOT dreamed of being right? No. It is the exact game as OOT, just new and shinier. It is not a game upon itself. It is OOT Reincarnate. Sure, you have wolf form, you have better graphics, the last boss fight is on a horse. All that is nice and cool and whatever... But what it comes down to is this, it held no place in anyones heart. You may deem it a superior game, but it still lacks any fan base whatsoever. It is just a sequel that no one really cared about.
A real game that deserves praise is the one that people adore for... well, ever. And the ones that do this are the ones that make significant changes. OOT.
Twilight is not this, it is OOT.
While my logic is probably a little skewed
and my thoughts a little wavy
and my paragraphs doing whatever the hell they want....
deal with it.
6 comments:
I think historical significance should not be a factor if you want to be objective on the matter of which is the better game. (And, of course, objectivity verses subjectivity is a whole 'nother discussion and if you can even rate media objectively.)
If you look at the mechanics of both games, ignoring graphical fidelity, then I think you will see Twilight Princess as the superior game because of how much the core mechanics were improved. The combat is improved, the camera is improved, the puzzles are improved, everything just has a huge amount of polish.
I can understand knocking the game because of unoriginality. Even though that is still not the case. Just because something takes place in the same location with similarly themed dungeons does not make it unoriginal. What is in those dungeons, which I believe are some of the best puzzles in the entire series, is what matters.
Sure Twilight Princess isn't a huge change but it is the incremental improvements that make it better.
I agree 100% Travis, that's all I have to say.
I will agree, I didn't give a shit about Twilight Princess. I've played through Link to The Past, Four Swords, OoT, MM, and WW, and I've yet to get past the first temple thing in twilight princess, I just sort of lost interest. Twilight Princess? Best game so far as far as technical and control standards?
Maybe.
Most important and intriguing Zelda?
Hell to the no.
I totally disagree Travis. OoT is an incredible game and is still the best Zelda, but to say that Twilight Princess has absolutely no fan following is false. I loved Twilight Princess, and I would love to go back and play it again because it was really quite incredible. I agree that it didn't have the same degree of importance or impact but it was still one hell of a game. I think it comes down to this, they are both great games. Lets leave it at that.
I agree with Nick - I think this whole debate has gone waaaay too far and while I can't say I agree with travis' point of view (which seems to be basically "Ocarina is better because more people like it?" Really?) the only real conclusion we can ever come to here is that both games are amazing achievements, and that's the end of it. Some prefer OoT, some prefer TP. Let's just enjoy them as they are and stop needing to argue for one over the other.
You had a good point up until the end, Travis.
The most historically significant game is not the best. If a game has a better story, a better art, level, puzzle, and graphical design, better characters, better controls, and better gameplay overall, then it is - get this - the BETTER GAME.
Saying that TP is an OOT clone is just plain ignorant. What is similar between them? Taking place in Hyrule, owning a horse, and following the LTTP formula. Which is a pretty weak arguement, considering that the only the past two 3D Zelda games didn't take place in Hyrule, a horse is practically needed for the amount of land you have to travel, and almost every game after LTTP used it's formula. OOT and TP are different from the very start, and stay that way for the rest of the game, excluding parts influenced by the LTTP formula.
If anyone who had never heard of Zelda before played both OOT and TP at the same time, then they would say that TP was better. Because it is. OOT may be the more important and original game, but TP is undeniably better in all aspects other than "how the game ... is significantly different than any predecessor."
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